Jodett: share your stories

topic posted Thu, July 29, 2004 - 1:36 PM by  Tisha
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I think this desreves a thread of it's own.
I am totally with you guys on Jodett. Like 12 years ago or so she told me I needed to lose weight. WTF... belly dance is all about celebratting the veluptuos body, not being a stick.
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Tisha
Sacramento
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  • Re: Jodette: share your stories

    Thu, July 29, 2004 - 1:57 PM
    Um...she accused a friend of mine of sleeping with the owner of a restaurant (she did no such thing- gross!) I guess this is a standard MO for her.

    She blacklisted my longest dance teacher from her events because she "didn't bring enough of her students" with her to these things, and also because she did workshops for Fatima as well. She would call her up the night before Fatima's events and bitch her out for her participation in them. True story.

    One time in class, one girl was talking about how the manager of a restaurant cornered her in her dressing room and made her feel really uncomfortable, and Jodette shut her down immediately, saying something to the effect of not talking badly about the restaurant owners that hire dancers. (Nevermind that this particular owner could have been a total sleeze bag jerk off...)

    She makes her dancers buy the costumes she makes- which are cheap and flimsy, not to mention overpriced and barely more than a piece of cloth and a couple of sequins. She wants her girls to show as much flesh as looks good on them. Which means, as much as possible.

    She also turns girls out to dance "professionally" when they clearly have not had enough training. I've seen girls who have danced with her less than a year going out for paying gigs who dance like absolute beginners. Oh well...

    She also undercuts every other dance teacher and professional dancer in this area, both by charging considerably less for classes, but by pimping out her dancers for as low as $25 a gig (which is paltry! and hardly covers gas and makeup, let's face it!)

    Um...stories she's told...walking in on her own funeral, being kidnapped by a prince who made her dance for him, having her snake go missing on a trans-Atlantic flight (they found it in a woman's purse, curled up and resting), her picture was taken with Billy Carter and published in Star or National Inquisitor or Weekly World Weirdness Tabloid or something like that, how she can walk into any club on Mohammed Ali street in Cairo and get a job by declaring, "I'm Kamalia of Jordan," which of course, is the name that she was given by the king or prince of Jordan when she was like 15... then there's how her father kidnapped her from her mother when she was an infant and she was raised with gypsies...
  • Re: Jodett: share your stories

    Thu, September 9, 2004 - 10:17 PM
    Uhmmm I think the comic book shop I go to is next to that Jodetts place.
    • Re: Jodett: share your stories

      Fri, September 10, 2004 - 10:46 AM

      Hi! I'm Missy. I have been taking belly dance consistantly for two years.
      I have heard many horror stories, so I never bothered to take classes from Jodette. I took classes from a wonderful lady named Daleelah but found that her style was not exactly my style. I was lucky enough to find WORLD Studio through a friend, where the women are inspiring and encourage individuality. Nobody at the Studio has ever made me feel less than perfect because of being overweight in fact they embraced me with open arms. WORLD Studio will be opening its new location on 16th & K right next to Infusion Coffee Shop and right across the street from The Sacramento Ballet. The owner Amy Sigil is amazing; she dances like no other woman I have ever seen. I am totally mesmerized everytime I see her and the studio troupe, UNMATA dance. Pictures alone do not do justice but here is the website address. Luna Taylor is the webmaster and I am sure if she were not in Mexico right now, she would be speaking up about this subject! www.worldstudiodance.com


      WORLD Studio classes will resume next week!
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        Fri, September 10, 2004 - 11:17 AM
        Amy is really cool. I like to watch al the tatoos on her belly move when she dances.

        I understand about Daleela. She's not really my style either, but she's a decent teacher and a really nice lady. Sometimes I take private lessons from her, but I haven't since May.
  • Re: Jodett: share your stories

    Sat, March 3, 2007 - 1:28 AM
    Jodette was my very first teacher. She is from the Middle East and actually knew Badiya Masabni, Taheyia Karioka, Samia Gamal, Fareed Al Atrash, Mohamed Abd El Wahab, and many other dancers, musicians, and actors -- personally. I think she is one of the best teachers anyone could ever have. She is filled with the knowledge of the dance as someone who was born and raised there; she actually lived with the gypsies and learned to dance from them. Regardless of what anyone may think of her because of some personal experience or another, Jodette is the real thing. She may have her views on the world, but her views are because of her upbringing and cultural experience. She is kind and giving.

    I think this thread deserves the other side of opinions. I will be the first to give mine. It is sad that the Internet -- a public forum which is read by all, including Jodette -- is used to bad mouth people just because of isolated incidents that did not go well with the writer at one time or another. One will never get as close to the Golden Age of Egypt as with Jodette. Don't let one or two incidents sway your point of view, and always take into consideration a person's ethnic and cultural background and upbringing before writing dirt about them. Giving them the benefit of the doubt will always make the world a better place to live.

    -Sausan
    Sausan Academy of Egyptian Dance
    • Re: Jodett: share your stories

      Wed, March 14, 2007 - 4:34 PM
      >Don't let one or two incidents sway your point of view, and always take into consideration >a person's ethnic and cultural background and upbringing before writing dirt about them. >Giving them the benefit of the doubt will always make the world a better place to live.

      I just have one thing to say. People should get beyond their upbringing, especially when it involves being negative towards other people. I mean if I was raised a racist would that make it ok for me to make racist remarks? Of course not. It sounds like most of these people started out with an open positive view and slowly over time formed an oppinion. I think that is called giving the benifit of the doubt, you know vs a snap judgement.
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        Re: Jodett: share your stories

        Fri, March 16, 2007 - 9:26 AM
        for good or bad, it is apparent this lady is one memorable character. my story comes from 15 or so years ago, when she had a little thrift shop in the front of her belly dance studio, and she would roll dolmas at the counter (completely against healthcode, but a great show of multi-tasking!). i was, and still am, a major thrift-o-holic, and although working at a now defunct vintage shop called "now & then" still combed the thrifts shops for vintage treasures. well, i went into her shop, looked around, found no prices on the clothing and her somehow unavailable to answer me. i left the shop, thinking nothing of it, until she showed up at my work and bitched out the manager for sending spies out to her place!

        well, it was explained to her, that i wasn't a spy, but she never believed it. the next and last time i ever frequented her place, i found a dress and wanted to know the price of it. there was a tag on it, but i couldn't quite make it out, it was perhaps a 2, an zero... "For you," she said in her imperious and exotic tones, "tth-errt-ee dahl-ors" i showed her the tag, and asked if it said twenty. "that is correct," she said. "twin-tee." so it's twenty? "for YOU," she said again, " tth-errt-ee." so its for sale for $20, but you want to charge me 30? i asked her. "Normally it is twenty dollars; for you thirty." I thought that she had inverted it somehow, you know how a sales person will say normally it is for 20, for you i'll sell it for 15.50. but that was not the case, she was positive i was a spy, or some emissary of evil from her percieved competitor, although we referred people to her place all the time. but she saw enemy, and as such no deal for me.

        of course, i didn't buy the dress. it wasn't even worth the 20. and i never stepped foot in her place again.

        i did serve her coffee at new helvetia, a few years later as a barista, where she was unpredictably nice or curt, depending on her mood.

        however you cut it though, she is memorable, and kudos to her for that, real gypsies or not.
  • Re: Jodett: share your stories

    Mon, March 5, 2007 - 8:04 AM
    I'm still kicking myself for not picking up a Jodette bellydance music album I found in a Goodwill in West Sac in 1995.

    I did pick up a Jodette cookbook one year. It's pretty awesome.

    Jodette has many stories of Sacramento in the Sixties: she told tales of when Jimi Hendrix and Joan Baez passed through town. She said Baez sang for her supper on the street.

    I did kind of promise to write her life story at some point, I guess I should head over there with a tape recorder and do it while she's still around. It would make a pretty interesting book, assuming I could validate any of the information she tells, but it would probably still be a hoot to hear.
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    Re: Jodett: share your stories

    Sat, March 10, 2007 - 9:41 PM
    hey, i'm kind of an inactive member here since i am 2 years away from moving to sac-town. this is a very interesting topic, since i am also a bellydancer. as a new bellydancer moving into town, i'd probably have fallen for all that stuff not knowing any better. i am aware of unmata and will probably go to their studio first. but i know for sure that i will avoid this jodett's place.
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    • Re: Jodett: share your stories

      Tue, March 13, 2007 - 4:03 PM
      Hey, I'm the artist who painted the portrait of her in the window and also a couple of others. Hopefully no one will bad mouth my less-than-perfect rendering but anyway, I love painting women. Yeah, Jodette has a very cutthroat style and she holds a grudge like no one I know. She does, however, have decent classes for beginners interested in classical Egyptian style and has finger cymbals for sale. If you're more interested in Tribal style and also advanced level classes, Amy Sigil is definitely top o the list and Daleela has great, advanced classes for Egyptian style.
      I wish all the best for Jodette; she is very influenced by her past cultural and personal history, which of course includes much abuse and disrespect of women and their bodies.
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      Re: Jodett: share your stories

      Sat, September 29, 2007 - 7:03 PM
      I bought a package of classes from Jodette last fall (she gave me little punch cards with 10 classes each), but I never used all of them...to be honest, I don't want to go back. I was very uncomfortable in her classes!
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    Wed, March 14, 2007 - 9:38 AM
    well as a drummer or African and Middle eastern Music i have run into Jodett. At frist she was pleasent and all was well and i even drummed for her s few times but then she saw me drumming for other troupes and teachers she didnt like so she has snubb my drum troupe ever sence. I do wish her well and hope she Contuiones to teach but i do hope she learns to let go of the past. Esp. sence i didnt not mean to insult her in any way.
    Hakeem
  • Re: Jodett: share your stories

    Wed, February 20, 2008 - 10:36 PM
    I canceled my tribe membership a while ago, but I had to rejoin just to respond to this post. I am currently a dancer with Jodette and have been with her for almost 4 years now. While I completely understand most of the posts on here, I wanted to lend a little perspective. I certainly have no illusions of perfection about Jodette, but she has been given a bit of a harsh rap here.

    Yes, she tells some of her professional dancers to lose weight, but you know what, my grandma has told me to lose weight before, and while I think it's a little old-fashioned and misguided, I don't think my grandma is an evil person for it. She's just a product of a time period where that sort of thing was more acceptable to do. I give Jodette that same benefit of the doubt. I have recently also become involved in some of the scheduling at her studio, and so I've started to see first-hand how cruel and ruthless some of the comments of restaurant owners can be. I've had restaurant owners tell me plainly "never send me that fat girl again." Jodette gets the same earful, but she gets the less kind Arabic version. She has shared with me the dilemma of wanting to send certain dancers to restaurants but owners not being happy about it and Jodette telling me she "doesn't want to break the girl's heart" by telling them no one wants them to dance at their restaurant, so her solution is to tell them to lose weight. Yes, it's messed up that that's the way it is, but it is what it is until we can change societal standards.

    As to the story about her dismissing a girl for complaining about the conduct of a restaurant owner. I know for a fact that oftentimes Jodette will play down controversy in front of beginning students for fear of making herself or her business look bad. I was not there when this incident happened, so I can't say whether or not this is the case, but I do know that she dropped at least one restaurant that I know of because dancers were complaining about similar behavior of the owner. It's possible that she played it down in public and dealt with it later in private. I do know that there have been no complaints of that nature about any of the owners of her current restaurants, so whatever there was in the past, she has dealt with it.

    The costumes-trust me, this is a complaint of mine too. This is definitely something about her business I would do differently. Yes, they are overpriced and not half as good as something I could get online for a lot less. Her logic is that she gives her professional dancers free classes and books them at restaurants for free, so this is really the only way she makes money from them. Again, I disagree with it, but it's a condition of getting jobs from her. I would rather pay for classes and be free to buy my costumes where I choose. However, as to the inappropriateness of them, that's really the responsibility of the dancer who chooses to wear them. When I bought my first costume, she tried to give me a completely see-through skirt to wear with it. I simply told her I wasn't going to wear it, and that was that. I feel like I've respected myself with all of my costume choices, and I have certainly never been forced to wear anything. The girls who wear indecent costumes choose to wear them.

    The same really goes for the pay. The dancers who choose to take $25 jobs choose to do that. Usually it's the beginning dancers who take those jobs. The more experienced dancers pick the restaurants they will dance at, and they always go home with much more than $25. As far as undercutting, there are dancers coming along right behind Jodette offering to dance at her restaurants for tips only. Some of them are students of the other Sacramento dancers mentioned in this thread. I know of one of the teachers herself who is mentioned in this thread who went to a Jodette restaurant on the same night one of Jodette's dancers was there and danced for free. This is a person who constantly trashes Jodette for negotiating low wages.

    Yes, her stories are outlandish and probably embellished, but you have to admit they are interesting. And don't assume they are entirely untrue. I've been skeptical of lots of things only to have her pull out a photograph or newspaper clipping to verify what she's saying. She did learn and perform in the middle east, and she does know a lot of people, and she has done a lot of things. Some stories have probably gotten much bigger through the lens of time, so just take it with a grain of salt.

    One thing you have right is that she can be a bit paranoid (the spies and such), and I've only recently figured out what all this is about. After some online research and numerous conversations with her, I personally believe this is a result of the northern California belly dance scene in the 60's and 70's. If you've never read anything about it, I highly recommend the article series "Reflections from North Beach" on The Gilded Serpent. Belly dancers were very cruel to each other and not entirely honest about they way they conducted business, and Jodette and Jamila Salimpour shared a particular rivalry at this time. The details of this rivalry would take up pages, but the bottom line is that dancers at this time actually were sending out spies to other studios to "steal" moves, recruit dancers, and just scope out the competition in general. Jodette says that she and Jamila have made peace, but Jodette still spent at least two decades watching her back (and dishing it out a bit too). She tells stories about bringing her dancer friends from Egypt to do workshops and having them comment that they didn't know how she could stand how cruel and cutthroat the scene was in northern California at this time. I think she's spent so long "at war" that her default reaction is suspicion.

    For the record, her granddaughter has danced at numerous non-Jodette restaurants and events, and she is not disowned.

    One thing that has not been mentioned is how truly generous Jodette is. She wakes up at 5 in the morning and cooks food to take down to the river to give to homeless people. Her van is constantly full of blankets and canned goods that she endlessly collects and hands out. She does most of this without help. I have also seen her generosity toward the dancers at her studio, myself included. There are numerous dancers who have told her they are struggling financially, and she immediately helps them. I can't discuss specifics of this because she doesn't necessarily want other dancers to expect freebies, but I can personally vouch for her in this department.

    The bottom line is that Jodette is human. Like all humans, she is flawed. I've certainly had my differences with her. About a year ago, I was ready to leave. But after truly getting to know her, I believe that she is a good person. And I don't think a belly dance teacher should have to be held up to a standard of perfection because every teacher in this area (and indeed everywhere) would fall short. I think we should all try be gracious enough to forgive each other our flaws. If she's not for you, I understand. But I just feel that perhaps some of your harshly negative views of her might come from a lack of understanding about her history and thought processes and the lack of a behind-the-scenes perspective.
    • MODERATOR NOTE

      Thu, February 21, 2008 - 8:15 AM
      I just want to go on record here as saying that I appreciate that the members of this thread have not allowed this to become a flame war between members. You all are acting respectfully toward each other - while dealing with what is (or could be) a very controversial topic within the bellydance community, you are stating your opinions, sharing your experiences, etc., while keeping a respectful tone with each other. Thank you for that; oftentimes it is easy to mix differing personal opinions with perceived attacks, then slide down the flame war slope into ugliness. I appreciate the fact that you've not made me do my 'job' here as moderator while dealing with this topic.
    • Re: Jodett: share your stories

      Sun, February 24, 2008 - 12:56 AM
      Hi, Kalila:

      I am so grateful that you posted this post. I feel the same way about Jodette. She was my first teacher ever in this dance back in 1974. Before that I just watched movies and tried to read about it.

      Thank you so very much for your wonderful post. I think Jodette is truly a gem. In fact, I just talked to her today. I thank my lucky stars that she was my first teacher.
      • Re: Jodett: share your stories

        Sun, March 16, 2008 - 10:51 PM
        Hi Kalia, I was wondering what happened to you.
        I saw this post and just wanted to comment briefly.
        I've been know to share my opinions on Jodette, solicited or not. But I do not want to bad mouth her or anyone. I like to be a positive person in all aspects of my life. This is new thing for me and I feel much better for it.

        Everyone experiences things differently and act/react to things as is in their nature. We are all allowed to have opinions too. Better to have them based on personal experiences than hearsay, right?
        Some people have very positive experiences with Jodette and others do not. I won't discount the good things people have to say about her as long as they don't think the bad things they hear are all lies or made up.
        I've personally had both good and negative experiences but they are all from a very long time ago.

        No matter what, belly dancers are all one community that has a special bond because of our love and understanding of this beautiful art form. I'd like to think so, anyway :)

        To comment on Kalia post:

        >The same really goes for the pay. The dancers who choose to take $25 jobs choose to do that.

        I was unaware of that. I'm sure everyone, everywhere would like to raise rates but it takes a community to make it happen. Often times the rates have nothing to do with the dancer but with the restaurant owner. They can often be a pain to deal with. I'm sure this does not apply to Sausan though. I've heard wonderful things about her restaurant.

        >Some stories have probably gotten much bigger through the lens of time, so just take it with a grain of salt.

        True, true.

        >I personally believe this is a result of the northern California belly dance scene in the 60's and 70's.

        That is an excellent point!!

        >The bottom line is that Jodette is human. Like all humans, she is flawed.

        I'm far from perfect, dang it!

        Cheers everyone and happy dancing!


        • Re: Jodett: share your stories

          Thu, March 20, 2008 - 10:42 AM
          Hi! I have heard many kind words about you, Zaheea. Although I've never personally seen you dance, I've seen Mychelle dance and she is wonderful. So, I'm sure you are, too!! I wanted to say a few words about this thread about Jodette. You hit on a very important point, Zaheea. It is better to have opinions based on personal experience rather than hearsay. So, I for one, decided to go check out Jodette for myself after 5 years of hearing unkind things about her. After all, she IS the one who taught my first belly dance instructor. And if I love the way SHE dances, then I must love the way Jodette dances/teaches, too, right? I have been a very active member of the belly dance community here in Sacramento since I started dancing with Red Tent Troupe in 2003. A wonderful troupe, indeed! But my life moved on, and I tried my own thing by creating Twirl Girls Dance Parties, which focusses on teaching girls this wonderful art form. I continue this business, and it's fun. I've also taken dance lessons from Mychelle and Daleela as well as Jillina of BDSS. Some day I would even like to try Unmata's tribal fusion with Amy Sigil. Although, I don't think I would be very good at that style! So much fun to watch them in action, though, isn't it? My friend, Pua, performs with their student troupe sometimes. She's loves it and it's definitely the style for her!!
          Well, anyway, when I went to Jodette's intermediate class about 6 months ago, I experienced first hand how she is. She's a good instructor. And the Queen of the Nile also taught while I was there. In fact, since Jodette had to leave early, she came to me and specifically said that I could come back for free the following week so that I could have a full hour class with her teaching. I wasn't able to go back, but I thought that was really nice of her to offer. And the dance techniques and attitude was refreshing because it brought back memories of when I danced with Red Tent. Same style, and grace.
          And I do have to say, if you've ever been to Cal Expo's State Fair, you can't miss seeing Jodette's dancers zilling for the crowd!
          Namaste ~
          Wind
        • Re: Jodett: share your stories

          Fri, May 23, 2008 - 12:07 AM
          Hi, Zaheea Anan:

          You are very kind to say nice things about my restaurant. :-)

          To Everyone:

          I would like to say that whether a dancer agrees to $25 to dance -- or $125 -- in a public venue, pay should NOT be an issue. Payment is an agreement between the dancer and the restaurant owner; it is not an agreement between the dancer and her colleagues. I would no more discuss what I pay dancers to perform than I would ask what a dancer gets paid for dancing in a restaurant other than mine. It is really none of my business. In fact, workers in the business sector don't discuss pay with their co-workers. It's a private matter and not the business of their co-workers. And if I find out what that dancer gets paid, I'm always happy for whatever pay the dancer gets for her dancing. The most important thing is that the dancer gets what is truly priceless, to dance in a public venue.

          Money is not everything. Experience is. Had I not gone for the experience over the pay in my heyday, I would have never been able to open my own restaurant, let alone open my own dance school.

          It is ALWAYS a good policy NEVER to discuss payment. When payment issues get discussed, the venue often times gets closed down and no one benefits from that. Experience counts for a lot more than pay. After the experience is "earned", then payment issues can be dealt with -- perhaps in the venue of a dance studio where students can pay registration fees for what the dancer has learned through her public dance experience.

          -Sausan

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